QE ME QT yada yada yada

[Bill]

I've been thinking about some of the stuff that's come up and how people have been responding about the differences between QE and ME and others.

Like ME involves collapsing the wave and QE doesn't.

Richard Bartlett says that the Quantum Physicists are just making it all up. He obviously made up ME and his best explanation for what is happening is that he is collapsing the wave. Who knows what the hell he is doing.

Frank talks about how what you experience in QE is Pure Awareness. But he also talks about in one of his books how we all experience our own reality. He seems to say that PA is the baseline, the ultimate oneness. Who knows?

He talks about how QE is dealing with the level of Bohm's Implicate Order and ME says they are dealing with the Zero Point Field. I personally don't think either of them knows. But, it sure does make a great story.

Frank talks about how PA does the healing, that PA knows all, knows what is needed and when. And yet there is discussion of directing PA with Intention. If PA knows all, is the place from where all creation comes then what the hell are we doing trying to give instructions?

Both Frank and Bartlett say they are not doing anything with energy. Maybe that is not the intent but from my perspective energy is involved.

I don't know what QE really is or what the experience of PA really is. Personally I think this is much more of a consciousness tool than a healing tool and feel to call it such would be much more straight forward.

Just my thots that have been rattling around for a while. Oops, almost fell off the box!

[tweasel]

Very interesting comments!   I also have wondered why we need intent.   In QT, and I know other modalities, what they say is basically the body intelligence (which I guess would be the Instinctive Mind that Ramacharaka talks about) directs the energy where it needs to go.  But how do WE really know this? 

People tell us lots of things, and oftentimes I've wondered how they know these things.

I read a book of my Pa's once, and the author had made a statement that hte was obviously guessing at.   It was something there was no way he could have known it.   Pa had written in the margin next to the statement,  ''How knowest thou this, o great sage?''  I totally about fell out.

It's hard to know lots of times though, because so many people write as if they ARE a great sage who DOES know everything!

Usually if I start seeing comments like that in a book,  I throw the book away as worthless.  With QE, I was actually able to do the things Frank said (except for the Gate Technique), and was actually able to do the QE as he says in the book.  It's hard to prove a certain thing works, but I like to give things a chance and see (if they're not too expensive)! 

I DO know it worked (QE) this one time I did it on my son when he was VERY angry!  And it worked within a couple minutes (I was in another room) and when he came out of his room he was totally calm.   NEVER seen anything work on his anger before!

I don't see how lots of things can be explained though, because they are still finding out so much.   Most everything out there right now (in physics) is theory!    But that kind of stuff makes my head hurt, anyway!  (Just like math!)

[Genemy]

Hi,

Interesting posts.
The new age created a lot of opportunities for dishonest people to get reach writing books, keeping seminars, etc. after reading some other books on related subjects and putting together what they mainly cannot understand, but are trying to explain/speculate as their "discovery" looking for naives.

It is rare having some quality in this field. Energy healing is thousand of years old and seems to work, but not daily miracles. Like anything in life, what is working for a person is not working for another. Same tool in different hands is giving different results.

Frank's QE  books seems to be a combination of what he learned/understood reading some philosophy and some modern physics and a form of energy - a connection with the source of creation - everything is energy at macro level or micro level vibrating at different frequencies, many of which we cannot see (example radio wave, TV wave, many sound frequencies, etc).
His QE looks still in development (or al list was at the time he wrote the first book), as you can see reading his first book and the last one.
I'm still practicing to see the results of QE. Let's give Frank credit for his QE based on the reaction of poeple using it for a while. Life and the future will give us more information, more answers.

Out of soooo many energy alternatives, the only one I found good is REIKI TUMMO (do not confuse with other forms of reiki, are far inferior). Somehow working is EFT - at least for me, maybe is better or worst for other people. Hopefully QE will be added to this small list.


Did you find out something being good indeed?

[Alfred]

Hello everyone:
All theories are just that: what can be known? Only experience and awareness. By its very nature, QE is a technique to first highlight acute awareness of experience, and then gently and suddenly lead us to the experience of awareness.  Frank himself calls QE a Self-awareness technique that fosters healing as a nice side benefit. The model he uses for an ontology to explain the theory of QE is something you can take or leave: QE works whether you buy into it or not.  However, what DOES seem to happen is that the more you do QE, the more the model will make intuitive sense. Why? because you become aware that your experience supports it.  Is that proof?  Of course not.  But the emphasis, gratefully, is heavily weighted on doing QE more than on talking about how it actually works or what paradigm it fits: philosophical discussions can last forever and arrive at no conclusion, but a moment's profound experience of awareness of awareness teaches Nothing in an instant, and you learn everything you need!  

Blessings,

Alfred  

[tweasel]

Hey Genemy!   What is Tummo Reiki, and how did you find it superior?

Alfred, I was SO sorry not to be able to attend the workshop!   I wanted to go and meet you!   But I'm using every cent I have right now for treatments and organic food, so there was no way I could work it out.  I may see Vickie tomorrow when I go for my CST, and if I DO, I'm going to ask her all about meeting you!!!!

[Genemy]

Hi Tweasel,

Reiki Tummo is a special type of reiki, very efficient. A few years ago I started by reading the book "REIKI TUMMO An Effective Technique For Health and Happiness" by master Irmansyah Effendy. Initially I was sceptic because I studied Reiki Usui some 20 years ago and the results were mixed. To my surprise, was far better. Than I attended Reiki Tummo seminars (there are different levels).It is impossible to describe months of learning in an email.
Many times I had a severe pain and I did Reiki Tummo getting read of pain. Other times I felt the negative energies in a place and I was able to clean it. Sometimes I was feeling too cold or too hot and within a minute I was feeling normal - Reiki Tummo is teaching it too (not in the book, the book is an entry level, the foundation).
The training is fantastic - Reiki Tummo and some related fields -Kundalini, Meditation (almost instant, not 30 years needed to go to such high and deep level), Shing Chi, Regression (they call it Consciousness Ladder Technique)...
There is a certification for Reiki Tummo clinics too.

REIKI TUMMO is independent of any religion or belief system.

What I suggest is go to www.amazon.com and enter the book's name, than look inside the book, see Table of contents, etc and see the reviews (of course, there is the human nature, in any review about anything can be some subjective opinion).
Maybe you will buy the book, which is not expensive, and give it a try.
Regards.

[Alfred]

It would have been great to meet you, too, tweasel, and totally understand and support your prioritizing your health and healing. Please pm me.

Blessings,

Alfred

[SpiritRider]

I really don't know much about either ME or QE.  I did however have ME done on me and have to tell you that I didn't feel anything and was told that I needed to keep my attitude positive about results.  That my attitude could stop the results from showing up. 

According to Dr Kinslow, QE works in minutes, anyone can do it and it works whether or not you believe it.  I don't know about that as I have not been blessed with having it work for myself nor has my healing request been answered yet.

Perhaps some day I will know more about QE from direct experience.

[aquadot]

My whole life I have been batting about healing modalities, trying desperately to heal self and others.  This probably stemmed from having a life-threatening disease throughout my childhood.  That went away, I believe actually because at a certain moment when I was 12 I had a window of clarity and I chose to not have it anymore.  I was very clear about it.  Still took a few years to finish up with it, wean myself from the medication (not telling parents or doctors) etc. 
Things work - any modality can work. Once I was dancing around my studio whacking my body all over with a hairbrush in time to Peruvian panpipe music, and I felt GREAT! afterwards.  So great, in fact, that I was joking with myself - I should lead a workshop! The hairbrush panpipe technique.  (HPT) When I first read SIH, one thing that touched me perhaps most was Frank's discussion of all these other healing modalities, how they all get results, but it is not so much the technique as the awareness.  I liked also that he expressed appreciation for all of them. 
If I had a quarter for every technique I have studied!  All truly educational though, learned tremendously from negative example.  Never did do an ME seminar, but certainly hung out with that world for a bit. Many brushes with ME left me pretty messed up, but that helped me clarify some key things. Here's the thing.  What it comes down to for me in all my years of observation...is your healing thing intrusive?  Meaning are you attempting to get in there and apply any energy or version of how things should go to another or yourself?  These attempts can succeed, but they can also be truly damaging because they involve presumption and ego and the recipient's system may be seriously ill-equipped to handle the imposition.  This is what happened for me with ME, also some of the advanced QT.  When you are talking energy work, you are talking possibility of malpractice (you, in you new-found, spiritually sexy wisdom deemed that my 3rd chakra needed gold light - guess what - it really really didn't and now I am totally thrown off my native energetics.)
It came clear to me back in January in my QE practice to loosen up on the intent thing.  I was pleased to see that show up also in Frank's latest book.  Now it is all looking much more like nothing - I am trusting in that whatnot that knows - so basically I am back to what i knew about healing when i was a kid.  Just chose and let go.

Molly

[Alfred]

Hello aquadot,
My own journey is not dissimilar to yours.  I had come to the conclusion a few years ago that what healing modalities had in common was intention and a shift into a broader state of  consciousness.  My own practice went from energy healing to intention-based healing, then to a very broad/comprehensive and generalized intention that did not specify "how" anything should come to pass.  When I was introduced to QE a year ago, it seemed to me like the natural progression of the direction I had charted over the years.  Now the only intention is implied, and it is "to be truly helpful" without any further specifications. What a relief!

I find that all the knowledge of energy systems, concsiousness and mindbody healing still comes in handy, but only as a way to interpret what seems to be happening and to broaden a client's frame of reference to help him/her understand why they could be experiencing certain things as part of a healing process. 

While I value the advanced Quantum Touch methods as a means of personal energy management and for entering into certain states of consciousness, I personally have also found them too "interventionist" for my liking.  I now prefer to enter into those states and ask the Universe "What is the most beneficial and appropriate healing process in this instance" and just allow it to unfold.   This is also the rub with ME for me. Why meddle unless it is necessary, and how would one ever know when and whether meddling is necessary?


Blessings,

Alfred

[aquadot]

Thanks Alfred for your comment and...hi there.
I always value your input on this forum.

One thing that ruined me forever for energy healing was reading some of Joel Goldsmith when I was about 19 or 20.  Didn't stop me from taking kajillion classes and certifications though.  Always in the back of my mind was the memory that trying to treat sickness in any way was questionable at best because you were trying to treat an illusion.  Goldsmith, in case you don't know, was a spiritual healer who died in '63.  He wrote quite a few books.  I had some significant healings just from reading him; you know, there is a sentence on the page, your mind doesn't really get it, but something in your consciousness goes Ding! and suddenly your sickness has just vanished.
Man, that guy was hard-core!  At the height of his practice he was 'treating' around 180 people a day, and he didn't Do anything. He would just open his mail or answer the phone with all the healing requests and say "I am with you" and hang up. The thing I remember most from my early reading of him was a story he told where a woman called in the middle of the night - her baby had a high fever and was dying, could he please rush over and help.  He said he would not.  He explained then to the reader, 'why should I give in to the illusion of an emergency? I know better.'  In that instant, the baby was fine. 
I remember, at a class, Kam Yuen saying that he was coming to the conclusion that all sickness is purely mythical.  Meanwhile, for us mere mortals, sickness can look pretty darn convincing, but in my experience, when I have broken through to that other consciousness, ( and I never really know How that happens, certainly nothing I did) I have seen pretty gnarly-looking conditions just vanish like a vapor.  Like, nice try, you almost had me really fooled there.

Molly

[Alfred]

YES, Molly, I also see THIS is the real essence of it all!  I like the way that A Course in Miracles puts it: that all perceived problems in the world are reflections of the only real problem: the belief in the illusion of Separation.  In QE terms, I guess that translates to understanding pure awareness as the core and ultimate reality and the world as only manifestations of Self, which is PA reflecting upon itself (awareness of awareness). 

Blessings,

Alfred